Stop Me Before I Vote Again

Just when one might have thought Moore had finally figured out he's been played for a sucker...WHAM! He writes a truckling, crawling little paean to the God-Emperor. What a slimy little imperial toady Moore has become.

If "good" = "doing no harm," then in the geopolitical arena the only good the Obama Administration can accomplish will be an incidental byproduct of the objective limits to US power, for which we have the Bushies to thank, not curse.

Moore's position is repugnant enough. The words he uses to express this position -- mimeographed from MoveOn flacks -- are truly cringeworthy.

Oh, I get the shtick. "Wimpy Congress" = "rapacious noblemen." "Obama" = "good Tsar."

"We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else."

Or else Moveon will hold a candlelight vigil in Central Park with Al Gore as the keynote speaker. Be afraid, Donkeycrats!

i suggest we move on beyond move on
an obvious deeply penetrated simulacrum
of just another dembot cut out

but mikey here is playing poluar front politics like the reconstructed stalinoids
at cpusa

i suggest we at least treat their line as
sincere and not so very obviously stupid
or craven or ..truckling

wrong yes
but dispicable ??

prove it to me ..i'm easy to sway
and
my operators are standing by ...

mikey is 100% behind
and partisan of any fight back ground swell
and
that is where i draw the line

between broad front building problematics

this guy agitates and promotes

stop traffic

Michael Moore once again demonstrates that he just wants to be on the side that's winning.

The best film featuring Moore is called, Micheal Moore "Manufacturing Dissent". He's the same as severin and hannity just wearing blue.

The guy supported war criminal Wesley Clark for president, and continues to support war criminal Barrack Obama. I don't live inside his head so I don't know whether he's sincere or not. But if he is, he isn't very bright.

There's a clear continuity to Michael's posts these days: Medea Benjamin, and now Michael Moore. These two position themselves as lefty radicals, or critics of the center, but in reality they simply draw support away from the real left and lead it back to the center.

For a better radical, check out the lead article on today's Counterpunch reviewing a new London play about Thomas Paine.

"the real left "
hmmmmm
out of afpak now
single payer
universal card check

these are wanna be mass movements ....
and reform struggles

"the real left" is where on these struggles ???

out front as the most advanced most consistent fighters
or something MORE ???

does the real left plan to extinguish
these center leftists
or at the moment the mass movement ignites
will the real left co ordinate activity with these groups ??

over the years i've noticed
"the state " can be neutralized
and even
nullify the institutional advantages
of the corporations on occasion
one moore mentions ...flint 36-37

"Medea Benjamin, and now Michael Moore."
hce
moore has wavered on the taliban war ???

"Michael Moore once again demonstrates that he just wants to be on the side that's winning"

is that accurate mr H ??

i know the outlines of a tom hayden
come easily to lots of SMBIVA stalwarts
and opportunism must be identified clearly
but certain "mass figures" ought to be handled
well..
let me put it this way

what mikey sez oughta be
the "left" attitude towards ob
ought to be the left's attitude not toward ob
but toward MM

mass leaders is a bit of stilted jargon
but it's a distinction to be made
and carefully attended to
err
by me as
a not fully regenerated
stalinoid-litest

"what mikey sez oughta be
the "left" attitude towards ob
ought to be the left's attitude not toward ob
but toward MM"

Well, maybe. If MM wants to come around and stop supporting the Dems, or use his popularity to boost third parties, then cool. I am not sure what to make of guys like MM. On the one hand, he does have the effect of rallying the faithful, which is always good. Beats the crap out of sitting at the keyboard and moaning. But rallying the faithful in what direction? That's the question.

Supporting the Dems constitutes defacto support for war, torture, the erosion of civil liberties, etc. If he's opposed to these things he should act accordingly. At the end of the day the psychopaths at the top of the food chain could give a tinker's damn whether you're a lefty or a righty, just so long as you play their game.

*standing ovation*

I was so disgusted that I had to leave the theater before his most recent film was over.

Shorter Michael Moore: The problem is capitalism. It's deep and systematic and we need to start rethinking our position about socialism.

Shorter Michael J. Smith: The problem is Obama. If we got rid of Obama, the world would be perfect.

Now excuse me while I stick myself in a 12 year old (bottle of Scotch).

Mikey's just sore that they're not building the bombs in Flint, Michigan.

Michael Moore is a social fascist.

I think Obie has a point, pathetic and shark-nearing as Moore is.

Meanwhile, hi, PWOG. Are you enjoying your liberal priapism?

Oops, I typed obie instead of op-san. Sorry, sensei.

The problem with Medea Benjamin and Michael Moore is that they're actually decent human beings.

Benjamin may be wrong about Afghanistan, but she's still traveled to Kabul. She knows that if the US military pulls out a lot of the people (a lot of the women) she's met are going to be killed.

Michael Moore may not have the purity that MJS or Alan Smithee have but he's actually out on the front lines fighting for the working class and he knows that however bad Obama is he just might make things a little better than McCain would have.

So yeah, according to Stalinist Third Party principles, Moore and Benjamin might be the reformist enemies who are standing in the way of the revolution and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld might just be the polarizing agents who will bring on the second storming of the Winter Palace.

But really, don't you think you're all just a bunch of upper middle class wankers who got your brains addled by too much edumacation?

The problem with Medea Benjamin and Michael Moore is that they're actually decent human beings.

Indeed. That's very nice. I'm confident they hold themselves to a high standard of interpersonal ethics and do their best to make amends where and when they fail. But, so what? This doesn't change their egregiously bad judgment. Benjamin's trips abroad aren't worth much when the traveler takes home a greater commitment to even worse judgment. How many legislators have done the same thing? Dozens? When the conclusion they reach is another impulse to advocate for making things worse, they would have done as well to simply turn on Fox News.

On the topic of lesser evilism, there's one thing that's now certain: Obama is worse than his predecessor. It's possible that McCain would have managed to be even worse. It's possible he would have had a stroke and President Palin would be in charge. Again, so what? A crank and a loon could as easily have managed to accidentally make things better. What we have now is a bright, rational, thoroughly competent man who is continuing the very same policies that made Cheney/Bush so damaging. He does it in complete sentences, without the twitching and unnerving irritability of the last president. The lurid freak show is outsourced to Biden.

As for revolution, this is silly, as is the imputed "worse the better" strategy. What grandiosity! You come off like a Freeper fixated on caricatures of hippies. Obama is already making things worse and has done more polarizing than Rumsfeld and Cheney. My god, look what he's done to the pwogs. They're polarized to the point where their only common outlet for activism is shrieking "fascism!" and wailing about the stupidity of the faux grassroots right wingers. They actually have less going for them than they did in the previous regime. Obama has successfully demobilized and atomized them.

But really, don't you think you're all just a bunch of upper middle class wankers who got your brains addled by too much edumacation?

You've been reading too much Atrios. His affected Brit slang and sophomoric emulation of the snide, right wing crotch-grabbing style are contagious.

can't disagree with a word super Al sez
but as to implementation
i'd train the guns on obama
and pinko stinko habitual line crossers
like benjy
as to mikey moore
till he crosses the line on policy
and i mean policy not politics
not coalition tactics
not smile krieg vs snarl krieg
i'd suggest keeping the our red shirts on
and spiking the tom hayden treatment

maybe we keep our chittering from the top branches to a controled "dialogic " gabble

but hey that's just me
mr fairway drive compromiser
using the one iron off the tee

boy owen
cross dresser and pant splitter

btw
the theory of social fascism
is indeed a stalinoid product
but so is the popular front
and all in a ten year interval
quite a cicuit eh ??

the tic tac zig zag of comintern line
requires a deeper analysis then
warmed over trot critiques ...of both lines pumped out back then
or the ever ready social dodoism of today

as to soft boiled social "democratic" instincts in general
koan time

one might form the same representation
out of clay and stone ...
as models are they different
or the same ...eh ??

method...
the molding touch vs the analytic blow

--------
on matters flatulent:

i must agree with both
the white fang and black tooth
masks of troll commando
sargent pimple kisser

reformist opportuism
today is probably not
the main link
nor is it standing between
the norte amigo proles
and revolutionary state overthrow

an still i'll sound the srtaw man alert
'cause
no one visible here would disagree

What the fuck does the hobgoblin Rumsfeld have to do with anything. His adventurism, loose tongue, and unapologetic theatrics were a liability to US imperialism and he was chucked overboard at the end of 2006. Bob Gates the rational manager was brought on. Obama kept him. Case closed.

And I don't know what the hell this "Stalinist Third Partyism" verbiage is all about. The Stalinist CP'ers were notorious tailers of the DP and other diluted social democratic formations. Neither here nor there, good nor bad, just the facts, ma'am. This dude HAS been spending way too much time vacuuming up discourse from pwog-lib bloglandia.

PWOG makes me pine for Van Mungo. The man had hornets in his bonnet, but gave frisson worth something.

How can MM go on the midnight dog-and-pony shows and proclaim "we need democracy instead of capitalism" and then pathetically defend the appointer of the Geithner-Summers hydra-head? He's ghastly.

Owen does indeed have a point about Moore. The latter hasn't, as far as I know, given any kind of endorsement to the idea that aerial bombardment is maybe a Good Thing For The Women -- unlike Medea Benjamin. It's an important distinction and shouldn't be overlooked.

Still, to the extent that my self-assigned mission here is souring people on the Democratic Party, and Moore is encouraging 'em to hang in there -- to that extent, anyway, he's playing for the other team.

MM epitomizes the dead-end celebrity cartoonism that is US political culture.

The last (and oh-so predictable) redoubt of left-liberal excuse-makers remains Obama's overrated articulateness and intelligence. A sliver of truth there, but utterly, utterly irrelevant. Barbara Ehrenreich is horrifically guilt of this and needs to be called out too.

OP, despite my rants, I hear you, but the "good Tsar" Obama genuflections which Moore practices only deter the mobilization of popular pressure on the DP regime we all have to live with. Your average agitated DP stalwart won't read Moore's shenanigans with the subtlety that you do.

Al Schumann @ 2:52 AM has delivered some solid truths and accurate observations.

"The last (and oh-so predictable) redoubt of left-liberal excuse-makers remains Obama's overrated articulateness and intelligence"
excellent point
some where along the way father S
tracked your point to its origin

people like folks that remind them of ..themselves

ob is a very nifty alter ego
for white merit classers
and of course black folk in general

mjs :

keep up the jeff act
or is it mutt ???
u be the bad cop

given the factoids
of our personal traits
me as the nice cop
has its ironies

but cross asignments help the orthrian scam
work for empire
so why not for lefties

as is implied by who really is the lesser evil ?

Dembots attacking the oppressed
even if its by
their screwball "we're here to help" stuff
make for good imperial outcomes....often enough to take the helm now and again...no ??

and repugs speaking
of fellow peace prizer super K
need to rediscover
their nixonian side

btw
nixons imperial statesmanship
during his vietnam long goodbye
was a very good model for ob's now
my guess nixon woulda cut and run if he could
but there are duties of empire even if onerous
and image destroying

the man who co-won the cold war
with mao
is really the one the norsk peaceniks
shoulda rewarded

"The last (and oh-so predictable) redoubt of left-liberal excuse-makers remains Obama's overrated articulateness and intelligence"
excellent point
some where along the way father S
tracked your point to its origin

people like folks that remind them of ..themselves

ob is a very nifty alter ego
for white merit classers
and of course black folk in general

mjs :

keep up the jeff act
or is it mutt ???
u be the bad cop

given the factoids
of our personal traits
me as the nice cop
has its ironies

but cross asignments help the orthrian scam
work for empire
so why not for lefties

as is implied by who really is the lesser evil ?

Dembots attacking the oppressed
even if its by
their screwball "we're here to help" stuff
make for good imperial outcomes....often enough to take the helm now and again...no ??

and repugs speaking
of fellow peace prizer super K
need to rediscover
their nixonian side

btw
nixons imperial statesmanship
during his vietnam long goodbye
was a very good model for ob's now
my guess nixon woulda cut and run if he could
but there are duties of empire even if onerous
and image destroying

the man who co-won the cold war
with mao
is really the one the norsk peaceniks
shoulda rewarded

On the topic of lesser evilism, there's one thing that's now certain: Obama is worse than his predecessor. ... What we have now is a bright, rational, thoroughly competent man who is continuing the very same policies that made Cheney/Bush so damaging. He does it in complete sentences, without the twitching and unnerving irritability of the last president.

This is why I horrified my pwoggie friends last year by telling that if I were to vote for a "lesser of two evils", I'd be casting my ballot for John McCain. But the spineless retreat of the lib/pwog anti-war movement, the silence on torture and extraordinary rendition, and the furious backpedaling from any hint of dissent have absolutely vindicated everything I told them.

Cripes, Al. Do you know how difficult it is not to steal your stuff for my own blog?

But, yeah, the sad fact is that the last election broke the brains of pwogwessives just as much as it did their freeper cousins. Only the reasons are different.

Gluelicker, I think you're reading too much into PWOG. S/he isn't addressing the character of Stalinism. He's saying it's Stalinist to not remain in the DP.

It's quite funny, really, considering the cult of personality is one of the two selling points Zerobama hold vis-a-vis his "progressive friends." (The second one being the facilitation of racial self-flattery.)

null

the greater evil between the two
is always .....in or about to be in ...power

but the dems are different however

[recisely because
they do have a pwog wing

and based only on priors
the pwog wing could act quite differently
if the DLC blue dog groups
now running stuff got surged out of power
in a ground swell
of general reform ferment

the priors however only promise
more and somewhat bolder internal reform
not an end to empire and wall street

one has to weigh the price discount
"truckling " to vote hounds
might have
on one's self image
for just a little structural melioration

"one has to weigh the price discount
"truckling " to vote hounds
might have
on one's self image
for just a little structural melioration"

Embedded in that is a nasty little problem. The pwog wing, to date, by and large prefers the sense of moral superiority that comes with being driven from one fear to another; through primaries where they agonize about electability; through elections where they agonize about majorities; straight into the arms of the anti-meliorist wing, where they shudder in anticipation of what happens to them after the Rohypnol kicks in. This is their version of political adulthood. And, to date, it's all worthwhile if they get the opportunity to spite the freepers with a meaningless electoral victory.

Al Schumann --

The pwog wing, to date, by and large prefers the sense of moral superiority...

undoubtedly true, it is a dominant aspect of the pwog identity, this moral superiority

however

...that comes with being driven from one fear to another;....

maybe, but I think it's more about simply being superior, which I assume they believe they've "earned" by dint of scrupulously competitive "education" at what ironically are called prestigious institutions.

for the irony there, see the literal meaning of "prestige" and not the watered-down slangified meaning it now holds.

every pwog I know believes he/she is superior to "liberals" because they're "corporate," and superior to all "rethugs" because they're supposedly ignorant rednecks to a man. at the bottom the pwog's fine education allows him/her to see that these superficial distinctions based on appearance, they're irrelevant as played out in American federal politics, because the excuses offered by The Donkle grow weaker each moment.

2000 - never mind that the SCOTUS handed the White House to Bush, we must respect the law!

2004 - damn that Nader, stealing Kerry's votes, making Kerry lose. we should have won here!

2006 - okay, we won the Congress. but the numbers aren't big enough. we can't get anything done 'til we win the White House.

2008 - hey, we got it all. but the majority isn't strong enough, those rethugs still are making Our Noblest Donkle compromise too much. we need at least 24 more years before we can start implemnting the Hopeyest of Hopes and the Changiest of Changes that Our Obamessiah promised us on that hallowed day at the Democratic National Convention in 2008.

pretty soon the excuses wear thin, especially when everywhere a pwog looks, all he can see is a duplication of the Bush/Cheney track record -- and in some cases, a brazen expansion of the things that were supposedly so repulsive under Bush/Cheney.

the movie Scanners reminds me of what I imagine the impending noggin-bursting of a lot of pwogs.

And I don't know what the hell this "Stalinist Third Partyism" verbiage is all about. The Stalinist CP'ers were notorious tailers of the DP and other diluted social democratic formations.

Agreed.

Not to mention the earlier implication of this blog's alleged sympathy for Roman Polanski is quite a case throwing stones in glass houses considering every single Hollywood type who signed that Polanski petition thinks Obama is just awesome.

case=case of

jtg
as worded i'm too dense to harvest
a coherent sense of your point
from your comment ???

doubtless there's irony enough on all sides of the the great all roads lead to roman debate

one of the few prized
event de fiasco
here at SMBIVA
in all its storied years

but hey jst which irony or pair or triplet of ironies
are you isolating for us ??

my take:

you damn fool xers graze on fields of
scrub irony like so many gleeful goats
leaves the nasty taste of rust in the mouth
eh ??

we woodstock boomers
have sun flower seeds
an ersatz soma
we'll dying at 113
dreaming of tomorrow's high

"spite the freepers with a meaningless electoral victory."

i think that captures precisely
the passive agression implicit in restraint mannered
decent type meritoid adults

spoiling the red meat feasting
of their bottom line counterparts

no we didn't do ..anything
but we did stop that criminal potlatch

oh lord put a stake thru their thirsting hearts

note well brothers and sisters
if what's best for empire is a decent interval of restraint
or at least a restrained interval of decency

voila the parti deux
with its orthrian stymie squad
well embedded
in the pilot's cabin

a plausible position:

not so much "let's get this over with"
as give the bleeders no time to rest
no time to lick the flesh
while on the back of a jack ass

make it straight thru
24/7 elephant stampede

let em do all the grover hatch stuffing
their tiny hands can manage
stuff stuff stuff
till the plutos common cargo hold explodes

is that "the worse the better"
translated dynamically ???

recall while the people
get a dusty sponge bath
from the donkery

the bull heads are resting too
and calculating and sobering up

maybe it is better
to keep em in power
till they punch themselves out so bad
their arms drop off
what say u oh humane ones ???

24 years of blight and horror
or 136 years of stop go
blight and horror ??

okay maybe that's staking the numbers
but ....

maybe not self evident
but a serious proposition none the less :

the living generation owe the future generations unborn
far more then they owe themselves

8 years is never enough mayhem
"its a historical fact "
as my younger sister use to say
in a red neck voice

maybe fathe smiff is dead right
maybe we need straight up
all the way in a row
24 years of end to end
rogue elephant parades
total power !!!

a hamiltonian interval
fit to counter
the original unofficial institution forming
jeffersonian interval

after them ..US!!!

ooops

Hey Sean- How is Wesley Clark a war criminal?
I've read his bio, no charges yet.

son:
we deluded pinko souls
accuse him of bombing serbia
no he didn't parachute in
with a thousand raiders from the sky
and slit ten thousand civilian serbian throats
but ....
'round here
bomb rack diplomacy
is considered a war crime

obviously Clark
can't hold a candle
next to his CnC
in the war criminal sweepstakes

william jefferson clinton
aka
" cruise missile " clinton
has far more to atone for in red hell

i reference my unauthorized sequel to

the poppy is also a flower

containment is also a war crime

vide iraq 93-00

the mohist like appeal
of weredove generals to pwogs is obvious no ??

a blood on his hands battle wise general
is proof against
" pencil neck pacifist " rants
by the yahoo overlords
billy jack syndrome is another manifestation

and hiring the hells angels as security
is a third

like a good deal of the punch pulling
one discovers in pop front mass audience appeal
by pwogs
maybe letting an ambitous general front for u condescends to its broad target
not to mention
amounts to supper with a poodle spirit
from beneath the earth

my gut sez give plain folks
the pink shit
right between the eyes
don't cross dress as a converted hawk

but obviously our "idiot" here
has struck some mass like cords
so in the final summation
perhaps the gaff
plays necessary handmaiden
to the good here

Though Clark could be called a number of things, criminal for killing thousands of trees for that book of his, ect. General Relativity was my favorite

"Hey Sean- How is Wesley Clark a war criminal?
I've read his bio, no charges yet."

Here are some sites to get you started:

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/EUR70/018/2000/en/eaeb3f72-df56-11dd-89a6-e712e728ac9e/eur700182000en.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-bloody-truth-of-how-nato-changed-the-rules-to-win-a-moral-war-in-yugoslavia-724811.html

Clark may be "innocent" of war crimes in the legal sense in that he hasn't been indicted or convicted yet. So is Adolf Hitler and George Bush. Since it is as near impossible to indict and convict an American General for war crimes as it is for my farts to reach the moon, I don't think an indictment or lack thereof ought to be the standard by which voters judge Clark. He deserves his day in court, of course, and I hope he sees that day, but I think there's enough evidence of his character for voters to reject him with extreme prejudice.

thanx sean

but go easy on the poor snake headed killer

he's old school nasty
and old school crafty

and that's an endangered species

the flint assed fucker

op -

I was defending SMBIVA. Was it me agreeing with gluelicker about Stalinists that rubbed you the wrong way?

I don't get your tangent about the alleged superiority of baby boomers, though. It ironically looks like something a smug boomer pwog would do.

How's that Mohist?

any poster here over 12 years of age?
raise your left finger if you do.