I liked this in particular, from the great muscular pharisee himself, "hunter" of trollology fame:
This site is for democrats. (0 / 0)My view, he misses the point. If a little trolling can so stir the Kos hive... well, what cheap sport for an imp trapped in a job cubicle. The troll expends a lot less energy than the anti-troll immune system.
If you're "dedicated to the deconstruction of the Democratic Party", as the masthead of the site you linked to has it, this isn't the place for you.I wish people who hated this site would have the basic willpower to keep the hell away from it. It really isn't too difficult.
by Hunter on Thu Jul 27, 2006 at 12:25:25 AM PDT"
A second hunter's point:
And I find it fascinating, (0 / 0)A true pragmatist, 'hunter' is saving his strength for the real fight against
just as a random aside of something I've seen over and over, that the sites that claim to be most leftist tend to quote places like Fox News and the Note with regularity. I think it tends to demonstrate that the primary dedication of many self-declared leftists is obstruction and contrarianism in the name of "purity", and they don't particularly care whose hands they shake or what actual ideals they espouse in service to that contrarianism....All their energy is spent being purer than the next "liberal" guy....
... the actual conservatives and neocons that they keep saying they'll get around to helping to defeat, just as soon as they're done polishing their own... um... nobility.Liberals can never see themselves as a menace to social progress. How could that possibly be the case? We lefties must be into some superiority dance of self-perfectionism.
I personally don't care much for perfection -- can't speak for anybody else, of course -- but yeah, I'm for building a machine out of real people parts. And my hunch is it wouldn't be all that better or worse then the Kos-borg. But i'd work out my mission statement first. And that might entail a split with all organized Orthrian goonery.
Yes, a split will suffice... for now. I'll save the"liquidation" of all wavering "middle forces" till I have state power firmly in my grasp.
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I really resent being called a purist. I'm as impure as can be. I have to read hypocrisy all day long, and now and then really ghoulish stuff like the whole Democratic party proclaiming Israel's right to defend itself. Just substitute the words "sentient and breathing" for pure, and I'll accept the label.
Posted by bobw | July 31, 2006 11:10 AM
Posted on July 31, 2006 11:10
You know, he might just be onto something...
or just on something: just not his meds.
Posted by Paul Curtin | July 31, 2006 12:27 PM
Posted on July 31, 2006 12:27
"I really resent being called a purist. I'm as impure as can be."
Urgh. No kidding.
"Purity" is a lame strawman not-so-progressives use on progressives, to imply that said latters agree with the formers on all but one issue (whatever that issue might be), and that the latters are willing to destroy any and all possible political coalitions for the sake of that one single issue (again, whatever that issue may be).
When I whip out the 15 issues (read: far more than 1) in which the Democratic Party's platform fails progressives, the "purity" strawman goes away for, like, two seconds, and then quickly returns as though the previous conversation never occurred.
It's like playing permanent whack-a-mole, and it sets my teeth on edge.
Patrick Meighan
Venice, CA
Posted by Patrick Meighan | July 31, 2006 3:18 PM
Posted on July 31, 2006 15:18
Things I'm a purist about:
1.) The First Amendment
2.) The right to an abortion
Things I can debate about:
1.) Tolls on the NJ Turnpike
2.) Taxes
Things the Kos/Atrios crowd is purist about:
1.) Support for Israel
2.) No third parties, ever.
Things the Kos/Atrios crowd is willing to negotiate away:
1.) The First Amendment
2.) The right to an abortion
Posted by Stanley Rogouski | July 31, 2006 4:01 PM
Posted on July 31, 2006 16:01
I am driven slush. Not pure at all.
But iirc, tho I never read it, they used Miss Hunter (a lesser luminary than the FP Greats, Dana Houle/DHinMI and Armando Llorens-Sar) to post the FP epitaph when they banned wilfred and moi. I figured nothing Miss Hunter wrote would enrich my life.
I do feel I was purely right about that one... LOL.
I wish them Good Luck and esp Good Fortune.
Go Boyz (and women assists), electoral glory awaits you and all that the party can shower upon you. ewww.
Posted by Marisacat | July 31, 2006 5:45 PM
Posted on July 31, 2006 17:45
You got the "narcissism" gambit, eh? Ironically -- or not, as we're talking about Kosniks -- that rhetorical dodge is straight from the playbook of sophmore year neoconservative stupid debate tricks. I believe Daniel Patrick Moynihan was the first one to use it, back when liberals went wingnut-lite as a reaction to those dweadful hippies.
Posted by J. Alva Scruggs | July 31, 2006 6:23 PM
Posted on July 31, 2006 18:23
just like you
jay fred sprugs
to up stage my mirror act
with bull lee's
as for the cat in the vat
at her own site
i can't follow the tone twists
let alone the meme warps
she writes all together
to quick elided
fer me
but its nice she tells me
the hunter be a she hound
i'll need to
pop the hood
on my he/she slicer
i think its do for a
serious reflush of
its
reflex capacitor
as usual
hard to tell
whether its
worse to pre judge a gender too highly
for some kinds of shit
or too lowly
despite aiming
for right between
the neuter eyes
seems you always hit reproductive parts
anyhow
Posted by js paine | July 31, 2006 10:08 PM
Posted on July 31, 2006 22:08
The great "Democrat" Moynihan.
I had the misfortune of taking a course from him during one of his sabbaticals from politics. When anyone would even slightly challenge him about his buddy Nixon's conduct of the war, he would fly into a red-faced rage. He hated "hippies" and identified completely with the Irish NYC construction workers who would piss on antiwar demonstrators.
His head section man was Les Lenkowski who went to jail during Iran-Contra. A real neocon cell.
There is an element of the neocons that are driven as much by hatred of hippies as anything. Moynihan, with his combination of insecurity and arrogance, was one of them.
Posted by driveby | August 1, 2006 12:27 AM
Posted on August 1, 2006 00:27
So I disappear down the suburban temp-maw for a week or three, and all of a sudden you happy little elves are mining FOX and "the Note," --whatever it is-- all over the place ?
Can somebody direct me to the threads where this happened ? I can't seem to find them.
I liked the dancing cat picture in that Kos thread. My stamina was not all for naught.
Posted by ms_xeno | August 1, 2006 11:09 PM
Posted on August 1, 2006 23:09
Ms X -- Welcome back. You have been missed.
Fox News, The Note -- yeah, they've all been cited here recently. Not without the appropriate caveats, I think, but still -- Guilty as charged, Judge Hunter, sir.
Posted by MJS | August 2, 2006 12:30 AM
Posted on August 2, 2006 00:30
Sorry, Ms X -- you asked for references, and I forgot to provide 'em.
The Note
Fox News
Posted by MJS | August 2, 2006 12:38 AM
Posted on August 2, 2006 00:38
So let me get this straight: Kozzies --whose leader would auction off his own wife's body parts on national TV if a Democrat asked/told him to -- are in a tizzy because you quoted some sources owned by a couple of national TV stations.
I need aspirin.
Posted by ms_xeno | August 3, 2006 5:54 PM
Posted on August 3, 2006 17:54